The Adult is objective, but incomplete.

EXACTLY.

Stay tuned…

Well, yeah. I think you’re right there. What I wrote doesn’t really make sense! I guess it’s that old chestnut of ‘what is objective reality?’ rearing its ugly head again. I suppose the implication I’m trying to get at is that ‘objective reality’ is a poor substitute for the whole of ‘reality’. The Adult is objective, but incomplete.

Looking forward to that! ;-D

> if we forget that we’ve encapsulated the world

Possibly. But I think forgetting is in the nature of this particular beast.

> exactly like him (but smaller)

Cool, didn’t know that (tarot’s always scared the crap out of me, so I’ve never looked into it).

> political humor

No, none intended, but I did notice that potential. That’s just how I was taught it! (These colours have yet more symbolism in my own mind, too; and I think they did to the Alchemists, including Jung.) This was a three day course that advertised itself as ‘assertiveness training’. ‘Assertiveness’ wasn’t mentioned at all until the end of the last day, when they guy just threw in the line that ‘Assertiveness is simply trying to stay in the blue states.’

I notice I forgot to really mention the mythical ‘seventh’ ego state. The story I was told goes like this: if you look at the six, five are concerned with feelings; there’s only one in which information about the world can enter the body: the dispassionate, cold, analytical, objective Mr. Spock of the Adult. The kind of science that measures and counts and measures and counts.

Many of us surely realise that this is not how things like intuition, insight and understanding operate. To explain these, TA proposes a function of the Child. When we are at play, seeing with a child’s eye, (or perhaps a beginner’s mind?), we can enter this ego state where impressions of the world can enter /not from the world/. (This relates to your reading-around-the-subject post; I’ll see you there in a mo.)

I’m told (tho I still do not quite believe it, it might have been a kind of hypnosis) that the name given to this seventh ego state is the Little Professor.

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I wish I did have a book on it but I’m afraid I can’t help you there. Y’know, the whole experience was more like an initiation than I realised at the time.

a poor ‘way of seeing’ which is actually more of a bushel for the Light. My head is still not quite clear, tho, on /why/ we do this to ourselves.

Give me a couple of days, I’m attempting an explanation. ;)

A brief summery though, would be that you’re about 75% right. Poor technology is only evil if we forget that we’ve encapsulated the world. It’s a dividing line or a screen that we create, but then think of as inherently real when it isn’t. Hence all the problems.

I like that idiot definition, makes me think of the “Fool” card in the tarot. In the deck I use, the fool’s playing with a little puppet on his hand that looks exactly like him (but smaller)…

And about these 6 or 7 “red” and “blue” states, would you happen to have any books to recommend on the subject? I would like to look into this a bit more, or at least add it to my Amazon list to be looked into eventually.

Also, for the record, I’d like to point out that I am completely avoiding any attempt at (US) political humor here, regarding different color states and which ones are productive.

Indeed.

‘Being dark to things’ is a very interesting way of putting it. It ties into a thought I had a while back about technology (lit. ‘ways of doing things’, I guess): good technology reveals; poor technology conceals. I don’t like using the words ‘good’ and ‘evil’, but this seems to fit. What I think I mean is, a ‘good’ technology reveals something about the way the world is; it extends our preception and understanding. A ‘poor’ technology exists to hide or simplify or encapsulate some aspect of the world. I can immediately think of examples of each which fit my own intuition of ‘good’ and ‘poor’. This is what I think I mean about a darkness which we can ‘let in’: a poor ‘way of seeing’ which is actually more of a bushel for the Light. My head is still not quite clear, tho, on /why/ we do this to ourselves.

I’m reading a book at the mo which describes the original meaning (i.e. etymology) of the word ‘idiot’: someone who is self-absorbed (idio-) to the extent that they’re not really paying attention to the world in front of them. The author then goes on to describe any number of car mechanics he’s known… :-)

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In my own crash-course in TA, I think we went a little ways beyond the Wikipedia page, in that we talked about six (or possibly seven) ego states: three ‘blue’ states of Nurturing Parent, Adult and Free Child, and three ‘red’ states of Critical Parent, Rebellious Child and Compliant Child. Parent will ‘hook’ child, and vice-versa; but also a red state will hook a red state, and a blue state will hook a blue state. Theory goes, /only ‘blue’ states are productive/.

Like the pursuit of fame and wealth is more about letting something in, some false idea of value.

Yeah, that’s timely. Check out this, from Ran Prieur last week:

“The seduction of evil is precisely in that it involves us in trying to eliminate it. When your consciousness is open, any action you take in reference to evil has no more significance than digging a ditch to channel floodwaters away from a house.”

It’s from here, apparently.

The zen sensei at my temple described it in his talk on Sunday as simply “being dark to things”.

Also, I have been working on that TA post for nearly a month now, but I think I’m finally wrapping it up. It’s becoming a rather critical look at some of the core assumptions of psycho-analysis in general, using comparisons between Freud and TA as pointers. The conclusion I seem to be coming to is, I think, similar to what I quoted from you above, and what you’re saying here as well:

talking about only what you think and see in neutral objective terms, and also what you feel (and intuit)

But I want to come out and say ahead of time that I am not at all criticizing TA as a tool or method of developing tools, just trying to explore if there are ways to better understand what we can do with those tools. Plus, it’s mainly based on the wikipedia TA article as well, as that’s what got my mind going in that direction in the first place. Which perhaps means that I might be missing some of the finer subtleties of the disciple. ;)

Anyway, hoping to have that up by Wednesday night, NYC time…

Been thinking about this a lot. I’m thinking my ‘energy sucking’ analogy isn’t quite right; there’s more a tangible presence to the ‘darkness’. Like the pursuit of fame and wealth is more about letting something in, some false idea of value.

Awareness is one thing. The only tools I’ve ever had to combat the ‘darkness’ I received from the field of transactional analysis. In short (very!!), assertiveness comes from talking about only what you think and see in neutral objective terms, and also what you feel (and intuit). Simple criticism almost always fails. But anger and frustration tend to lead us down that path.

As for the shape-changing lizards, I still can’t quite dismiss that one :-)

Time spent researching evil doesn’t make evil go away.

Then again, maybe it does, given enough time. I just think it can be a dangerous thing to get caught up in, that’s all.

Let’s say all these conspiracies are true. I haven’t done any research on them, I don’t know either way. But assuming they are, the questions that comes to my mind are, “what made these people so evil?” and “why did such evil people rise to power?” Weren’t there other options, both for them and for the people they now wield power over?

Why aren’t we, as a society, in a place where people like that can be laughed at, or better yet, helped? What’s the reason any of this is even here in the first place?

So, I’m confused. Its good to ask these types of questions or bad? To me those look like really good questions.

But I really don’t think this kind of exploration leads to clearer thinking. I think it’s like trying to clear mud out of the water by trying to push it to the bottom. The more you do it, the more it just circulates.

Let’s say all these conspiracies are true. I haven’t done any research on them, I don’t know either way. But assuming they are, the questions that comes to my mind are, “what made these people so evil?” and “why did such evil people rise to power?” Weren’t there other options, both for them and for the people they now wield power over?

Why aren’t we, as a society, in a place where people like that can be laughed at, or better yet, helped? What’s the reason any of this is even here in the first place?

But I am just saying exposing lies melts peoples delusions and wakes them up. If people are “asleep” or hypnotized, how did they get that way? From knowing the truth?

But that is the main criticism of exposing high level criminal conspiracies (not “coming up with “conspiracy theories”)

That its “too negative” harping on the negative etc. Then from that its shifts from that “its all about talk” and not about action. But really all its about, is about seeing clearly.

Shouldn’t clear thinking lead to better decisions?

Although to be fair, I never actually said that the act of pointing out “child rapists in positions of power” was creepy.

Lying is black magic. The entire edifice of this Power structure is built on lies. By believing these lies people can be made to serve it. By exposing the lies the edifice automatically begins to disintegrate. The Vampire tales are a metaphor for truth. They may have super human abilities but they can’t survive the light of day.

The life force these vampires feed on might be nothing more than consciousness itself in the form of misplaced faith and trust.

But to feed on us, they need our permission. As strange as it sounds, it takes free will to believe a lie. How this works is that they lie to our left brain and tell the truth to our right. They put symbolic messages out in plain view. They leave clues. They leak stories. Not resolving the cognitive dissonance this creates is our fault.

The key things for me (besides the fact that Ted didn’t sell his soul to Satan in order to shapeshift, good for you Ted!) are these two comments:

It seems to me those who serve the Darkness find themselves drained of … something (a bit like that bit in the Dark Crystal); and to fill that void they in turn find subordinates to drain. A kind of pyramid scheme for whatever-it-is.

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If a Network of trillionaires that control 50% of the World economy, Worship Lucifer, and think they are setting the stage for the Anti-Christ, whose to say they aren’t?

That right there is the problem, whether you see it purely metaphorically or on a more personally real level. But who’s to say they aren’t? We’re to say they aren’t. We’re to recontextualize the debate so that they can’t anymore. Find and embody the source of that thing that they drain themselves of.

As I was typing this, I decided to look up a certain rap album a friend of mine recommended. On amazon, in the “people also bought” section, I see a link to Public Enemy’s new album, which is exactly what I think we’re all trying to figure out here: “How You Sell Soul to a Soulless People Who Sold Their Soul?”. We need to figure out a better way of doing things, so that people stop letting themselves get drained in this way. Options…people need options…

Well, options that WORK, anyway.

He agrees with Ian that seeking fame and fortune is a dead end.

Just one last comment. These elites themselves think they are lizards. David Icke didn’t make it up. He just dug it up. They thing they are descended from dragons and sea serpents. I can trace my geneology back to Charlemagne, which means I can trace it back to a sea Serpent and also Jesus. So you can say its not accurate, but the point is people in high places believe it about themselves. But I think from my Plantation owning ancestors in Ireland to Charlemane is accurate at least.

Now there is an occult ritual black magic aspect to this where the shapeshifting is believed to take place. It involves “purgative violence” against children, blood drinking and all kinds of horrible stuff. In light of that its not far fetched to me that a lot of these royals shape shift. It could be a mass hallucination, from all the severe violence and mass hypnotism, drugs, shock etc.

There are all kinds of explanations. If you want a sophisticated insight with lots of primary source research check this out:

Dutroux Affair

If a Network of trillionaires that control 50% of the World economy, Worship Lucifer, and think they are setting the stage for the Anti-Christ, whose to say they aren’t?

Anyway, I believe these ancestral demons have been stalking me at various points in my life. That would make sense if a 1000+ years worth of my ancestors participated in this crap. Its probably affected my morphogenetic field.

I dunno about shape-shifting lizards, but Dawn Cook’s ‘First Truth’ series (4) of fantasy novels is good reading if you like that kind of thing.

How’d we get onto this again? :-)

He likened it to a dam bursting causing chaos before it reaches its new equilibrium. But its all good. He got so severely ridiculed that he got to the point of not caring what anyone thought and thus being able to share his revelations with 100% TOTAL honesty.

As far as shape shifting goes, some native American shamans were believed to have had the ability, Vikings were reported to have had it. European and British Nobility are descended from Vikings. Its known that Viking kings, Like Rollo of Normandy, practiced human sacrifice. Rollo had officially converted to Catholicism but on his death bed orderd a bunch of sacrifices to his Old Norse Gods.

So, all Icke is exposing is that the original magic of European Nobility went underground and exists to this day. If you think about natural selection between tribes of Dark magicians competing for control of Europe, it would make sense that the most ruthless and powerful magicians would eventually become dominant.

You talk about a shadow. I have been struggling with this my whole life. There is a genetic component to this. When I was 20, I was meditating in order to shapeshift and a presence came into the room and asked me to swear allegiance to Satan and this power would be given to me. I became freaked out and got up and turned all the lights on and began to seriously distance myself from that type of stuff. Soon after I converted to Christianity.

So that’s hearsay. I don’t expect to convince anyone of anything. But in light of my own personal experiences Icke makes sense to me.

I was watching a TV programme last night about gender-pay-differences. This daft bloke kept asking the question ‘why aren’t women as successful as men?’. Obviously, that depends on your definition of ‘success’. By the end, I was thinking the answer to his question might be ‘Because they’ve got more sense!’.

I’ve got a soft spot for David Icke, and even the concept of reptilian overlords :) but I do find his writing style a bit OTT. As a Brit I remember him when he was an ordinary run-of-the-mill TV sports presenter, and then one day he turned up on a TV chat show wearing only turquoise and talking about Annunaki lizards from the lower seventh dimension. Brilliant! Jon Ronson’s ‘Them’ book has a bit about him negotiating entry to the US one time when he was stopped and questioned whether his ‘lizards’ were a cover for antisemitism. ‘No,’ quips one guy, ‘I think he really does mean lizards’. Clearly something significant happened to this dude.

I wrote a book I liked once, it was an edifying experience, but I’d warn that a certain amount of shadow-confrontation appeared to be a necessary part of the process. Anyone know any publishers? :)

It seems to me those who serve the Darkness find themselves drained of … something (a bit like that bit in the Dark Crystal); and to fill that void they in turn find subordinates to drain. A kind of pyramid scheme for whatever-it-is.

The only way to break out out of this box is by realizing who you truly are.

Yeah, that’s the only way. What the overlords do has nothing to do with it. If they’re human, they need to break out just as much as you do. As the Tao Te Ching says, “what is a good man but a bad man’s teacher?”

And if they’re not human? If they’re some kind of hologram or reptile? Well then fuck ‘em. Only humans can get enlightened. Buddha says so, and he’s the one who invented the damn thing so he oughta know… :P

Besides, didn’t you mention some kind of predator and prey analogy for this kind of relationship before? The way I look at it is that there’s something important about having that box there. There’s a reason for it, and there’s a reason we have to break ourselves out of it. Jesus’s parable of the prodigal son comes to mind here as well…

So anyway, there really are Over Lords that control society. They just met in Greece last week to discuss what they want to do to us all next. They control humanity by controlling consensus reality. So they take this already narrow band and make the box even smaller.

The only way to break out out of this box is by realizing who you truly are.

As for the Overlord’s you could call them psychopaths, or aliens or artificially intelligent holographic projections, or shape shifting reptoids. It all amounts to the same thing. They rule us by mastering consensus reality and they have no empathy. There power is in deceiving us about our true nature.

Phillip K Dick in his gnostic Sci Fi writings came to very similar conclusions about the human condition.

Icke doesn’t really rant. He just knows how to say the same things in many levels of understanding. The conspiracy stuff is at the level of the five senses, meant to unlock the death grip most people have on perceiving reality only through left brain conditioning. In the most sophisticated level, he is on par with Gurdjieff, Jung, Campbell, Ken Wilbur, Robert Anton Wilson, Dick, all these people.

We just have to stop feeding ALL our insecurities and let them die. They’re just a mask over what we think is an inadequacy, but if we can bring ourselves to actually LOOK at them, we’ll see that they don’t REALLY exist that much anyway. They’re definitely no barrier to our being happy, as long as we can learn to work with them in mind.

And it’s funny that you mention “out-there” vs “in-here” cause that’s a key part of that Transactional Analysis piece I’m working on.