Comments on: Shinzen Young on “Bouncy” Zen and “Paint-by-Numbers” Vipassana http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2009/12/27/shinzen-young-on-bouncy-zen-and-paint-by-numbers-vipassana/ Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:46:45 -0700 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Ian http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2009/12/27/shinzen-young-on-bouncy-zen-and-paint-by-numbers-vipassana/comment-page-1/#comment-17207 Ian Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:01:32 +0000 http://www.reclusland.com/compass/?p=2487#comment-17207 Thanks Kate, I like your take on Vipassana = focusing, Zen/Dzogchen/etc = bringing it back to the marketplace. I'm long past the point of equating cushion time with practice. I space out enough on the cushion that that's simple not worthwhile! :) Every moment, there's already something going on that I am not conscious of. Accepting that, there's always something to open up to and learn from. And I hadn't realized Shinzen's "seeking" was done mostly via Shingon. That is interesting... As for the email, no worries, I often take far too long to reply. And I am definitely familiar with the overworking of things, as well as with the need for settling. :) Thanks Kate, I like your take on Vipassana = focusing, Zen/Dzogchen/etc = bringing it back to the marketplace. I’m long past the point of equating cushion time with practice. I space out enough on the cushion that that’s simple not worthwhile! :)

Every moment, there’s already something going on that I am not conscious of. Accepting that, there’s always something to open up to and learn from.

And I hadn’t realized Shinzen’s “seeking” was done mostly via Shingon. That is interesting…

As for the email, no worries, I often take far too long to reply. And I am definitely familiar with the overworking of things, as well as with the need for settling. :)

]]> By: Kate http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2009/12/27/shinzen-young-on-bouncy-zen-and-paint-by-numbers-vipassana/comment-page-1/#comment-17188 Kate Wed, 12 Jan 2011 06:25:48 +0000 http://www.reclusland.com/compass/?p=2487#comment-17188 Well, as I understand it, his own trajectory was Japanese Vajrayana-enlightenment-Zen-Vipassana as a method to teach his own students... unless I misunderstood, or am misremembering. Just my take: Vipassana teaches focusing skills; at the point of experiencing results, Zen/Chan/Dzogchen can guide the use of those skills in developing a life of practice; in the course of which 'unenlightenment' [including any sense that part of life is practice, and part is not] burns off like fog. I am working on an answer to your email, but have got to the point of overworking it and must put it aside to settle for awhile. Well, as I understand it, his own trajectory was Japanese Vajrayana-enlightenment-Zen-Vipassana as a method to teach his own students… unless I misunderstood, or am misremembering.

Just my take: Vipassana teaches focusing skills; at the point of experiencing results, Zen/Chan/Dzogchen can guide the use of those skills in developing a life of practice; in the course of which ‘unenlightenment’ [including any sense that part of life is practice, and part is not] burns off like fog.

I am working on an answer to your email, but have got to the point of overworking it and must put it aside to settle for awhile.

]]> By: Ian http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2009/12/27/shinzen-young-on-bouncy-zen-and-paint-by-numbers-vipassana/comment-page-1/#comment-17168 Ian Tue, 11 Jan 2011 19:40:03 +0000 http://www.reclusland.com/compass/?p=2487#comment-17168 Hey, the site's back up. Weird. Anyway, glad you like it Kate. I agree, I think Shinzen's write on on this one, in regards to the pluses and minuses of both practices. I wonder though, as someone who's practiced both, whether he would say one could get enlightenment through Vipassana and then turn to Zen to help make it more "bouncy". Or is it a one-time-and-that's-it thing? I wonder. Hey, the site’s back up. Weird. Anyway, glad you like it Kate. I agree, I think Shinzen’s write on on this one, in regards to the pluses and minuses of both practices. I wonder though, as someone who’s practiced both, whether he would say one could get enlightenment through Vipassana and then turn to Zen to help make it more “bouncy”. Or is it a one-time-and-that’s-it thing? I wonder.

]]> By: Kate http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2009/12/27/shinzen-young-on-bouncy-zen-and-paint-by-numbers-vipassana/comment-page-1/#comment-17004 Kate Fri, 07 Jan 2011 04:40:21 +0000 http://www.reclusland.com/compass/?p=2487#comment-17004 By George, I think he's got it! This is the most succinct explanation of my personal preferences as I'm likely to find! By George, I think he’s got it! This is the most succinct explanation of my personal preferences as I’m likely to find!

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