December 29, 2009
- Jiddu Krishnamurti with Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche -
Krishnamurti starts off putting Chogyam to the test, essentially asking him “Why bother meditating?” I love it. Krishnamurti’s having a great time; he’s almost smirking. And Chogyam, I have to admit, looks a bit nervous (at least until he finally gets to start talking halfway through the second video).
Just for reference, this takes place in San Diego, California, on 15th Feb. 1972. Over 40 years after Krishnamurti broke with the The Order of the Star, and 5 years after Chogyam Trungpa had opened the first Tibetan Buddhist monastery in the West.
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(part 5)
Wow…
One man can’t be quiet and the other barely gets the chance to speak.
One man is very impatient when it is his turn to listen while the other man defines patience throughout.
One man is very knowledgeable but remains very tied to his ego while the other is just present.
Thanks for sharing – I like the blog
Cheers,
Marc
Comment by Marc — January 24, 2010 @ 12:16 pm
Yeah, Krishnamurti sure did like to talk. I always get the feeling with him that he has this understanding of things that he’s desperately trying to put into words, but never seems to be able to.
In this case though, I get the feeling he was sort of testing Trungpa Rinpoche a little bit, pressing him a little bit to see what kind of reaction he could get. Maybe, maybe not, but either way its fun to watch.
Comment by Ian — January 25, 2010 @ 11:01 am
One used craziness to get into wisdom; the other already crazy! wakakakk trapped in his own confusion and illusions. wakakakk. peace Bro!
Comment by Anonym — April 25, 2010 @ 3:13 am
One did a lot of coke and died of cirrosis.
Comment by Ted — April 25, 2010 @ 9:08 am
the other always think died as such a big deal but live no-taste, flat coke, zero sugar, wakakak haunted by cholesterol ha.ha.
Comment by Anonym — April 25, 2010 @ 9:22 am
WTF is wakaka?
Comment by Ted — April 25, 2010 @ 12:31 pm
I will say Chogyam has a great deal of gravity. Krishnamurti seems to go on and on enjoying the sound of his own voice while Chogyam sits quietly. It looks to me like some type of Dharma battle. Chogyam is like an immoveable object. He seems to know what he wants to say, will not be swayed by Krishnamurti and is just waiting for an opening to speak, giving Krishnamurti enough rope with which to hang himself.
Comment by Ted — April 25, 2010 @ 12:45 pm
how to talk and share to a cup full of his own water?
Comment by Anonym — April 25, 2010 @ 12:49 pm
I wonder if George Lucas based Yoda on Krishnamurti?
Comment by Ted — April 25, 2010 @ 12:58 pm
FICTION! Ja!ja!ja! ha.ha.! wakakak!
Comment by Anonym — April 25, 2010 @ 1:07 pm
Hey guys, great conversation here. Sorry I missed it.
Anonym, I am curious about wakakak too. It seems to be an Indonesian phrase (from my google search), but I do not know what it means. Could you clarify?
One thing I will say in Krishnamurti’s defense is I don’t think he cared at all that he came off this way. Either he had no idea and was a crazy old blabbermouth, or he was doing it on purpose to create an effect. Ted, I noticed the feel of a dharma battle as well here, and it feels to me like Krishnamurti is almost testing Chogyam, trying to make him lose that gravity and enter the dialogue on the level that Krishnamurti is presenting it. His first question (to a Tibetan monk) is “why meditate?” Why would he ask that? He seems to be baiting Chogyam a bit…
Given the lucidity of Krishnamurti’s thought, I’m inclined to partially entertain the idea that Krishnamurti was up to more than it seems here. Its almost as if the words are just cover for something more important, and the important things is whats going on under the words.
I love this, hilarious! Either way, Krishnamurti was certainly haunted by something.
Comment by Ian — April 26, 2010 @ 11:19 am
Also, I’ve heard that all of Krishnamurti’s books were typed up by someone else, and he didn’t even read the manuscript. He didn’t care one bit about his books or his legacy. Definitely either a very multilayered personality or simply a crazy one.
Or maybe both, but we’ll probably never know for sure.
Comment by Ian — April 26, 2010 @ 11:20 am
Buddhism Dharma can’t used to “attack” people opinions. It is not about a battle how Popeye defeat Brutus. Even the worst opinion to against you. The way you defend your self; the way you stick to your belief is/was already known by Buddha and thats why they called it “awakened” / “awakening” when you realizing it. It is about how Popeye defeat his own “self”. ah gah gah gah gah gah ! ah ga ga ga ga ga ga ! lol
Comment by Anonym — April 26, 2010 @ 6:30 pm
Exactly, Anonym. I certainly agree with you.
What I see here though is not a battle, more a test. I see Krishnamurti kind of feeling out Chogyum Trungpa, trying to get a reaction out of him. Not to prove a point, or to “win” anything, just to see how Chogyum Trungpa reacts to this kind of pressure. That’s just my take on it though.
Comment by Ian — April 27, 2010 @ 9:44 am