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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7902</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Strangers-Ourselves-Discovering-Adaptive-Unconscious/dp/0674013824/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wilson attempts to explain why there&#039;s so much about ourselves that we fail to understand, which can lead to misdirected anger. He points to a revised, post-Freudian understanding of how the mind works: the reason that their own judgments, feelings, [and] motives remain mysterious to people is not repression, as Freud argued, but efficiency so that the mind can process and analyze multiple things at once.&lt;/a&gt;

Found this book on the street once, but got rid of it during a moment of &quot;I have too damn many books!&quot;  Perhaps I should pick up another copy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Strangers-Ourselves-Discovering-Adaptive-Unconscious/dp/0674013824/ref=cm_cr_pr_sims_t" rel="nofollow">Wilson attempts to explain why there&#8217;s so much about ourselves that we fail to understand, which can lead to misdirected anger. He points to a revised, post-Freudian understanding of how the mind works: the reason that their own judgments, feelings, [and] motives remain mysterious to people is not repression, as Freud argued, but efficiency so that the mind can process and analyze multiple things at once.</a></p>
<p>Found this book on the street once, but got rid of it during a moment of &#8220;I have too damn many books!&#8221;  Perhaps I should pick up another copy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7897</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 14:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope they prove useful.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope they prove useful.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7889</link>
		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for those :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for those :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7881</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;So then, the magical formula for progress on the spiritual path is... (drum roll, please...) the application of mindfulness and equanimity. &lt;/em&gt; - &lt;a href=&quot;http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/thread/3514388/Jack+Kornfield+and+the+3+Speeds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jackson (from here)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>So then, the magical formula for progress on the spiritual path is&#8230; (drum roll, please&#8230;) the application of mindfulness and equanimity. </em> &#8211; <a href="http://kennethfolkdharma.wetpaint.com/thread/3514388/Jack+Kornfield+and+the+3+Speeds" rel="nofollow">Jackson (from here)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7877</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It says in the Patisambhida-magga, &quot;The primordial will is the efficient cause of the in and out breath.&quot; &lt;/em&gt;

From the same &quot;interview&quot;.  Not sure how much I follow the overall viewpoint behind the interview (doesn&#039;t speak to me personally), but there&#039;s some good stuff in there.  This in particular is interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It says in the Patisambhida-magga, &#8220;The primordial will is the efficient cause of the in and out breath.&#8221; </em></p>
<p>From the same &#8220;interview&#8221;.  Not sure how much I follow the overall viewpoint behind the interview (doesn&#8217;t speak to me personally), but there&#8217;s some good stuff in there.  This in particular is interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Interviewer: Related to unfulfillment, then are you suggesting that &lt;strong&gt;will is out of sync with itself&lt;/strong&gt; which is the cause of suffering?

Dark Zen: Yes. That is a good way to put it. &lt;strong&gt;This out of syncness is disparity and suffering.&lt;/strong&gt; We call it duhkha. Sounding scientific, this out of syncness is a phenomenal moment as well, being the smallest unit of suffering since all phenomena, according to the Buddha, are synonymous with suffering and unfulfillment. I can even declare that the curvilinear nature of the universe is emblematic of suffering [laughing].&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.darkzen.com/Articles/meditationQA.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;From here.&lt;/a&gt;

In this case, I am assuming that &quot;will&quot; is meant to point to what others have called &quot;awareness&quot; or &quot;I AMness&quot; or &quot;True Self&quot;.  The movement of no-movement, rather than any kind of desire based (and therefore partial) will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Interviewer: Related to unfulfillment, then are you suggesting that <strong>will is out of sync with itself</strong> which is the cause of suffering?</p>
<p>Dark Zen: Yes. That is a good way to put it. <strong>This out of syncness is disparity and suffering.</strong> We call it duhkha. Sounding scientific, this out of syncness is a phenomenal moment as well, being the smallest unit of suffering since all phenomena, according to the Buddha, are synonymous with suffering and unfulfillment. I can even declare that the curvilinear nature of the universe is emblematic of suffering [laughing].</em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.darkzen.com/Articles/meditationQA.htm" rel="nofollow">From here.</a></p>
<p>In this case, I am assuming that &#8220;will&#8221; is meant to point to what others have called &#8220;awareness&#8221; or &#8220;I AMness&#8221; or &#8220;True Self&#8221;.  The movement of no-movement, rather than any kind of desire based (and therefore partial) will.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7869</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And it’s a good idea because it makes it possible to access, or observe what is otherwise too quick, or simply unconscious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yeah, it really is that we&#039;re just still (a little bit) asleep.  And thanks for the reminder: 

&quot;heightened awareness is completely and utterly removed from bliss, altered states and profundity of any sort&quot;

Always good to remember this, I think my pratice has been a bit lacking in this aspect lately.

&lt;blockquote&gt;awareness is the most important thing to cultivate, that it is (in a way) what makes us human (in the most profound and grand way)&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Couldn&#039;t agree with you more on this.  It&#039;s a good feeling to be able to do what you think is the most important thing that needs doing.  :)

Unfortunately, I don&#039;t have a paper copy, just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mediafire.com/file/iyjfzyzyo5j/19649507-Saints-and-Psychopaths.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the PDF on KFDh&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And it’s a good idea because it makes it possible to access, or observe what is otherwise too quick, or simply unconscious.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yeah, it really is that we&#8217;re just still (a little bit) asleep.  And thanks for the reminder: </p>
<p>&#8220;heightened awareness is completely and utterly removed from bliss, altered states and profundity of any sort&#8221;</p>
<p>Always good to remember this, I think my pratice has been a bit lacking in this aspect lately.</p>
<blockquote><p>awareness is the most important thing to cultivate, that it is (in a way) what makes us human (in the most profound and grand way)</p></blockquote>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree with you more on this.  It&#8217;s a good feeling to be able to do what you think is the most important thing that needs doing.  :)</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t have a paper copy, just <a href="http://www.mediafire.com/file/iyjfzyzyo5j/19649507-Saints-and-Psychopaths.pdf" rel="nofollow">the PDF on KFDh</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, true! I guess that the only problem is that it is not readily apparent why having very precise, accurate and quick awareness is a good idea. For me a really big puzzle piece fell into place when I realized that this heightened awareness is completely and utterly removed from bliss, altered states and profundity of any sort - it just is (with the accompanying normal/abnormal, profound/ordinary experience and reactions to that). And it&#039;s a good idea because it makes it possible to access, or observe what is otherwise too quick, or simply unconscious. Explaining this to someone who does not have any experience in meditation (or at least some psychedelic inclinations) is somehow difficult.

Two weeks ago I was having a conversation with this really nice guy, getting very excited while I was telling him that I believe that awareness is the most important thing to cultivate, that it is (in a way) what makes us human (in the most profound and grand way). I have to admit that I felt like a lunatic while trying to explain this, not having any way of making this idea more accessible, or explaining myself more clearly (perhaps because I do not understand it fully myself).

By the way, did you get a paper copy of the book and if so, where is a cheap place to buy it? (I only have a digital copy)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, true! I guess that the only problem is that it is not readily apparent why having very precise, accurate and quick awareness is a good idea. For me a really big puzzle piece fell into place when I realized that this heightened awareness is completely and utterly removed from bliss, altered states and profundity of any sort &#8211; it just is (with the accompanying normal/abnormal, profound/ordinary experience and reactions to that). And it&#8217;s a good idea because it makes it possible to access, or observe what is otherwise too quick, or simply unconscious. Explaining this to someone who does not have any experience in meditation (or at least some psychedelic inclinations) is somehow difficult.</p>
<p>Two weeks ago I was having a conversation with this really nice guy, getting very excited while I was telling him that I believe that awareness is the most important thing to cultivate, that it is (in a way) what makes us human (in the most profound and grand way). I have to admit that I felt like a lunatic while trying to explain this, not having any way of making this idea more accessible, or explaining myself more clearly (perhaps because I do not understand it fully myself).</p>
<p>By the way, did you get a paper copy of the book and if so, where is a cheap place to buy it? (I only have a digital copy)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.reclusland.com/compass/2010/01/30/more-on-falling-between-the-frames/comment-page-1/#comment-7848</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 00:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Pavel, good to hear from you.  Happy to see SubPhilo up and running.

Yeah, I really liked this.  Read it in the LA airport waiting for connecting flights (a very looooong lay over).  And while I agree that this is can be made obvious through practice (though I&#039;m not currently pulling 6 hour days...) scientists don&#039;t always practice, and LOTS of people listen to scientists.  And if all it takes to convince scientists is a few tests, well, I say sign me up!  There&#039;s a lot of momentum to counter here, but the more info that get out about what really happens when meditation is taken seriously, the better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Pavel, good to hear from you.  Happy to see SubPhilo up and running.</p>
<p>Yeah, I really liked this.  Read it in the LA airport waiting for connecting flights (a very looooong lay over).  And while I agree that this is can be made obvious through practice (though I&#8217;m not currently pulling 6 hour days&#8230;) scientists don&#8217;t always practice, and LOTS of people listen to scientists.  And if all it takes to convince scientists is a few tests, well, I say sign me up!  There&#8217;s a lot of momentum to counter here, but the more info that get out about what really happens when meditation is taken seriously, the better!</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pavel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarity is the name of the game!

I really enjoyed that book, interesting fella. (Although surprised that this needed to be tested as it is pretty clear from practice)

Hope you are well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarity is the name of the game!</p>
<p>I really enjoyed that book, interesting fella. (Although surprised that this needed to be tested as it is pretty clear from practice)</p>
<p>Hope you are well!</p>
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