August 26, 2011
- Margaret Anderson on WWII -
“It is a madness that will pass, only to be succeeded by another. In the current of madness even Hitler isn’t to blame – he’s merely a tool of Nature: on the theory that Nature needs certain emanations and gets them – millions of human beings agonizing over war – all those vibrations filling the invisible universes… The wish to go on, the struggle not to fall back – all this makes a friction that produces combustion…and out of these energies springs a fire”
This is not meant to excuse the violence and loss of life Hitler caused, but is rather an attempt to make sense of the senseless truth of his existence and rise to power. When read in conjunction with yesterday’s post from Martin Prechtel, perhaps something of the sense here can be understood.
Also, just for informational purposes, Margaret Anderson was a student of Gurdjieff, a member of a group of women student’s Gurdjieff worked with late in his life. They were known as “The Rope” and much more can be read about them (and Mr. Gurdjieff himself, thanks to the wonderful notes they took during their meetings with him) in William Patrick Patterson’s “Ladies of the Rope”. Margaret’s take on the meaning and purpose of the existence of war is a brief outline of the fuller view expressed in Gurdjieff’s “Beelzebub’s Tales to His Grandson“, in particular, chapter 43, entitled “Beelzebub’s Survey of the Process of the Periodic Reciprocal Destruction of Men, or Beelzebub’s Opinion of War”
I dunno about that.
Comment by Ted — August 26, 2011 @ 9:48 am
Yeah, it’s a bit controversial to say the least. But if you look at the universe as basically a large machine, like Gurdjieff supposedly did, it kind of makes sense. If effort is not being made, if we’re not voluntarily pulling our own weight within the megalocosmos, there must necessarily be some kind of backlash.
Saying this runs the risk being misunderstood as saying the Holocaust was somehow OK, or deserved, which it in no way was. It’s just a different perspective on the old question of why “god” “allows” bad things to happen to good people. In this case, its not God, its the universe-as-machine. It’s less personal that way, and less individually targeted, as long as we don’t mix the different systems too much.
I like this viewpoint, at least in part, because it creates a system where personal spiritual seeking can help calm the troubles of the world. Making sincere effort can create vibrations that might make other problems less necessary. Similar to the Martin Prechtel idea that the violence in the world comes from people somehow losing the ability to initiate themselves into the mysteries of the Earth House. Lack of spiritual growth leads to shitty results. Is it 100% true? Who knows. It’s a good myth though, in my book.
Comment by Ian — August 26, 2011 @ 5:07 pm
Well, I think of it as a period in history where some type of Satanic Fascist Military machine momentarily got the upper hand and came out in the open.
I think that there is elements of it in the Power Elite Bilderberg types and the US military Industrial complex, Global corporate Empire, but its covert.
But anyway, the higher level adepts would say stuff like this in justification for bombing Iraq with depleted uranium.
So that’s my take. Evil exists, everything is not just nature in my opinion.
Comment by Ted — August 29, 2011 @ 4:32 pm
Fair enough Ted. It’s a contentious statement she’s making here, to be sure. Not something I understand well enough to debate on. :)
Comment by Ian — August 29, 2011 @ 7:02 pm
Well, I didn’t really have the impression That I was debating you. I just know that different Thosophist type people are kind of Nazi. That’s what it struck me as.
Comment by Ted — August 30, 2011 @ 9:20 am
What I mean is they talk about evolution and helping nature and stuff when they do Eugenics. Not that she is saying that really. But there is a lot of talk about helping nature with these people.
I think its like you eluded to earlier. Plato started the ball rolling with getting things really out of whack. Its about trying to contain infinity. Squaring the Circle.
Comment by Ted — August 30, 2011 @ 11:15 am
Well, I draw a sharp line between theosophists and Gurdjieffians, but yeah, the Theosophists do have the “master race” thing kind of going on in the background. As for Plato, I’ll read more Kingsley and get back to you on that… :)
Comment by Ian — August 30, 2011 @ 11:32 am
I think the question of Evil comes down to Satan and the mark of the Beast. Even though I have a problems with Evangelicalism and Christian Fundamentalism on lots of issues, the Apocalypse of John aka the book of Revelation, I think is inspired. I think the Apocalypse is real and its about some type of machine intelligence trying to control all of creation and enslave consciousness.
So I wouldn’t say that everything is just about balance and nature and that all evil is, is what you don’t like, or what is unbalanced.
I think our consciousness itself is intelligent infinity. That is what the Atman is. I don’t think we are always connected to true consciousness all the time. That is what meditation is for. But anyway consciousness is a mystery. Its a divine mystery. Everything runs on this Mind that we are a part of.
Materialism is evil because it has no use for the divine and science is based on materialism and so technological society destroys nature and warps human beings.
So anyway the Nazis were all about Totalitarianism through industrialization. We imported all these Nazi scientists through operation paperclip and the quest for technological totalitarianism continued. Its going to end basically with no one being able to buy or sell without getting implanted with a microchip and it has to do with 666 literally all because of Plato trying to contain infinity Geometrically, and using a formula about dividing and averaging to harmonize the music scale with geometry and the formula is related to 666 which all western science is based on.
I don’t totally understand it has to do with the music scale and time being asymmetrical and all math coming originally from music. The Creation was spoken into existence.
Comment by Ted — August 30, 2011 @ 12:15 pm
from that’s guy’s blog I posted earlier:
Comment by Ted — August 30, 2011 @ 12:42 pm
I have a hard time following that stuff, but thanks for taking the time to post it Ted.
Comment by Ian — September 4, 2011 @ 4:51 pm